No attempt has been made to even discuss, let alone reach a consesus, to abandon the guidelines. However, the article format was decided by consensus, and this article needs to follow that pattern until a new consensus is reached here to change it. The WP:AIR/PC page content guidelines are just that: guidelines.

At best, the 'Controversy' section should be spread out in chronoglogical order in the Developments, Design, and Operational history sections, but for now, please leave it where I've placed it. And as such, I've restored the recommend arrangements of the section to the article again. See Boeing 777, C-5 Galaxy, JAS 39 Gripen for examples. Incidents are typically list sections, so it is lower in the article. The incidents section is located like other WP:Air articles.

Doesn't matter if it has its own article.

And what is a section so important it has it's own page doing so far down on the bottom of the page? 67.137.0.39 ( talk) 21:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC) It would be a good followup to the Operational History Section. I propose the Notable Accidents section come right after the Operational History section. What is the 'Notable Accidents' section doing in between the 'Operators' and 'Specifications' sections of the article? Notable accidents has nothing to do with operators or specifications, but I do believe it has to do with the Operational History because the operational history has accidents in it. Paulwharton ( talk) 05:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC) 'Notable Accidents' Section In Wrong Area of the article Apparently they had a problem with systems intigration. They had originally thought about mounting a GAU-19 in a chin turret. 308 is just as powerful, if not more.- Conor Fallon ( talk) 21:10, (UTC) the round was phased out of the military for being to powerful it was replaced with the. Army troops in WWII M119,M1 grand and so for. Just to add The 30-06 is a fairly high powered round against soft targets like troops, it was originally the primary round for U.S. SevenOfDiamonds 20:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC) Time did a 5 page article on the plane/chopper if you need anymore information regarding the controversy surrounding it. The gun can only fire when the rear cargo lift is down. machine gun that can fire up to 16 rounds per second. Sam ov the blue sand 16:17, (UTC) There is only one rear. I see your point about the guns on the sides, I guess that wouldn't work too well now would it? ^_^ The reason I asked is that I think the weapons should be listed on the specs part of the article. I knew about the M240 but I too heard about the 20mm or the 30mm but I forgot where I heard it from. Last I heard, though, there's some research being conducted into the possibility of adapting a chin-mounted 20mm or 30mm turret like those on the Super Cobra and Apache. Unfortunately, it's too dangerous to put machine guns on the side doors, since the nacelles will be in the gunner's arc of fire.

I think that they're typically mounted with an M240 on the rear ramp.

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